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Friday, October 06, 2017
cost benefit analysis
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16 comments:
- YANG Peidong said...
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YANG Peidong
It appears confusing to realize that sometimes environmental economists will recommend that zero pollution is unnecessary. We always believe the top task of these environmentalists is to eliminate pollution as much as possible, but in reality, there are many practical obstacles to achieve this goal. One of the most popular tools for economists use to evaluate the value of certain object in order to make relative policies is the cost-benefit analysis. Cost-benefit analysis provides an organizational frame for identifying, quantifying, and comparing the cost and benefits of a policy. It is efficient to apply this frame in policy making due to its discipline and transparency. However, this tool is not totally suitable in the field of environment because of the ethical dilemma. In environment, many objects are hard to set a price for them such as the lives of wild animals, the existence of rare vegetation, and the breath of fresh air. Therefore, it is reasonable to realize that the notion of zero pollution sometimes may not be the idea that be favored by environmental economists. - October 07, 2017 9:47 PM
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Paola Idrovo
Cost-benefit analysis is the tool we as a society use in order to make decisions. Thus far it has proved effective. It is clear, decisive, and rational. If the benefits of an action outweigh its costs, that is the action we should carry out. In some cases, the cost of an action are much greater, but we as a society prefer and prioritize its benefits and make decisions accordingly. Cost-benefit analysis does not always lead to decisions that eliminate environmental problems, such as zero pollution policies for example, not because this decision making tool is failing, but because we as a society are underestimating the costs of harming our environment. Furthermore, aspects of our environment are difficult to quantify. How do you measure intrinsic value, or aesthetic pleasure? These are benefits we have difficulty legitimizing and are failing to capitalize on. Cost benefit analysis determines the allocation of resources, but does so without regard for morality and fairness. Here lies another limitation of this tool. We as a society must then step in to provide resources to underserved areas, or correct for disproportionalities this rational decision making might create. Although environmentalists have found several ways in which cost benefit analysis cannot entirely address environmental problems, it is the most effective tool we have at our disposal to make decisions. So long as we continue to need to allocate resource and govern economic activity we will need to continue to use it. So long as environmental needs fail to be incorporated in analysis and are neglected, we will continue to experience resource depletion, pollution, and other negative externalities.
- October 13, 2017 7:55 AM
- Andresious Cyprianos said...
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Andresious
Initially I didn't really find it surprising that environmental economists will recommend that zero pollution is unnecessary. This is mainly due to the similarity it shares with the fact that even though one would assume that a 0% unemployment rate sounds desirable and would be good for all the citizens; it is still necessary and desirable to aim for a low but non-zero unemployment rate because the right amounts of unemployment actually turn out to be good for the economy. However after reading the article i understand that even with a complex tool such as The Cost-Benefit Analysis, decision made are still scrutinized by several people because of the tools drawbacks. The biggest issue that has caused debate among-st economists and politicians is the fact that the cost-benefit analysis applies monetary costs to environmental effects that have no implicit direct costs; and this post referred to this as "unethical". Secondly, in the post the question "Who gets to decide" was raised. I believe that in the end the politicians have the last/main say because their views on topics such as Climate Change can be used in various campus over the country to gain support. And the fact that in-order to gain support its becomes relatively easy to press issues that include saving lives or expanding educational systems over preserving undisturbed natural sites. This problem of in the end "who gets to decide" I feel sabotages all the potential benefits of the Cost-Benefits Analysis. - October 13, 2017 10:15 AM
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- October 14, 2017 11:02 AM
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Alison Zhabotinskiy
I really enjoyed reading this post, it put into perspective of the who and the how of cost-benefit analysis and economists. I think that the breakdown of cost-benefit analysis with a metaphor of contradicting environmentalists that are not actually contradicting themselves, is a great and simple way of understanding what cost-benefit analysis is – even for anyone with the most basic economic/environmental economic background and understanding. The most essential part of cost-benefit analysis is transparency and objectivity, which the most important components of decision making. Because personal belief and bias will always interfere with “good” decision making, better yet, making the right decision. Environmental economist favor cost-benefit analysis not for the amount of discipline it requires, but because it is beneficial to how our resources and welfare can be maximized efficiently, but without that discipline, nothing will be done. At the end of the day, those that are responsible for our welfare on a higher level, such as politicians and the faces of government, will not decide that cost-benefit analysis is necessary. Due to the fact that cost-benefit analysis requires objectivity, those with the power of deciding for the mass population, are not objective in decision making, therefore unable in finding the middle ground between social welfare and financial justification. - October 14, 2017 11:04 AM
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Rebecca McMann
When it comes to the environment there are so many factors and on top of it there are so many opinions to throw on top of it all. I find that being an environmental economist must be quite taxing since there are two total objectives to look at. economy wise you could completely solve problems and ignore everything about the environment and it would work perfectly up until the environment ran out. When you decide upon the basis of just the environment it does not mean all economic means will be met. So to meet in the middle sounds quite taxing. To go through a cost-benefitting idea seems still like much contradiction would come through it. No matter what your personal beliefs and so on are going to cloud your own judgement and depending on what your own objective is will determine on where you find the cost and available slack room can be placed. This concept definitely needs much discipline in format in how each angle has to be taken into account. No matter what resources have to be priced out efficiently for the economy to progress and the balance of making sure what helps the economy doesn't take too much away from the environment again has to be particularly placed. The heads of state and above should definitely be conscious of this idea and be highly educated from environmental factors to economic. How in the end can you judge a matter that you do not have all the pieces and education on. They have to take into effect anything from climate change and causes all this to the poverty problems in the economy. It is all connected and so should be placed at equal importance to balance. - October 14, 2017 12:42 PM
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Yunjia Guo
It is very interesting to learn that there is a such "contradiction" between being an economist and being an environmentalist. After reading the post I realized that economicists focused on policy by doing cost-benefit analysis to compare both market effects and nonmarket effects. Through the analysis economists will be able to give more better, unbiased decisions. From that I noticed sometimes it might be pretty hard for environmental economists to find the tradeoff between the scarcity resources and eliminating pollutions. On the other hand, I wonder how does environmental economists evaluate those nonmarket effect effects since they are not observed, and some of them seems hard to measure. Is there any possibility that they may devalue the nonmarket effects? Moreover, since economists prefer to do cost-benefit analysis in the regulation and policy, according to the post, and it is easy to evaluate absolutes, what about confronting more complicated situation that involve more environmental economics issue or maybe when it is difficult to just focus on cost-benefit analysis? Or if it is a new issue discovered and there are no policy yet? Will the issue get neglected? Or do they have better, more advanced plans? - October 14, 2017 1:06 PM
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One of my favorite books is Justice: What is the right thing to do? by Michael J. Sandel. This post brought me back to the many controversial topics that are discussed within his book. Often times people forgot the strong connection the environment and the economy have with one another. Each economic policy put forward effects the environment and vice versa. Cost-benefit analysis is a part of the process for any laws or policies being put into place, but cost-benefit can be very bias. Cost-benefit can vary based on one's opinions and viewpoints. If there is no exact monetary value set for something, how does one determine it's worth? For example, how do we determine if we should overgraze cows in order to feed the growing population? To make this decision, a cost-benefit analysis must be made on things that do not have a set value i.e. the cost of overgrazing both environmentally and economically. The thing that sets opinions apart are their views on morality and what they believe is "the right thing to do". Saving the environment is a very broad idea, which encompasses many different issues. I believe we need to set forth laws and regulations to help future generations prosper. This seems like it would be a widely accepted opinion, but issues arise when you talk about the extent to which our environment is depleting. How can the government raise taxes or use larger amounts of tax dollars to "save the environment" when not everyone thinks it is a state of emergency?
- October 14, 2017 1:28 PM
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Daniella Antolino
After reading this article, I was truly interested by the information it discussed. Pollution has been an ongoing problem in society, it could be related the size and the desire to have consumer goods needs fulfilled. Relating to the term cost-benefit analysis which"provides an organizational framework for identifying, quantifying, and comparing the costs and benefits (measured in dollars) if a proposed policy action." Society and major corporations need to compromise in order to save the enviornment and the limited resources. Because of overpopulation society is willing to tear down the environment in order to sustain a lifestyle they desire. We definitely need regulations and laws that help future generations avid by in order to achieve some sort of success with saving our environment. For example, companies do not care where they dump their waste and they usually dispose of it in the water underground which later travels through and contaminates large areas of land and society. Animals are killed, large sums of water is contaminated that doesn't just hurt the environment but the individuals living in that area. We are going too fast as a society, dumping waste and not being caring of the environment but just to our own needs and wants. We need to work as a whole society to plan to fix one issue at a time. There are many economic problems we should be very worried about. It will affect the lives of future generations greatly if we don't take a stand. Every persons ecological footprint is affecting our economy and environment on a daily basis. - October 14, 2017 6:19 PM
- YANG Peidong said...
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Yang Peidong
Since zero pollution is hard to accomplish, environmental economists still have to use some tools to make decide the best policy applicable to the environment issue. This framework is cost- benefit analysis. The cost refer to money or human resources that need to carry out the policy. The benefit refer to the good influence on the environment conservation. However, cost and benefit analysis is far from perfect. In order to simplify the process of decision making, experts prefer evaluating the value of objects and make comparison, but in environmental field, many objectives are hard to set a certain price tag. For example, the life of a wild wolf, and the existence of wild plant species. It is easy to figure out the future profits of building a factory or exploring business, but it is impossible to value the potential interests of live in environment. As we all know, ecological system is weak and each animal or plant plays an indispensable role in this system. If one of these lives extinct, ecological system must be negatively influenced and suffer disturbance. The issue of the balance of ecological system is becoming increasingly prominent in modern city and more and more people realize that every part in this system makes count, no matter how small or weak it appears. If the system collapse due to our overdevelopment, human beings will suffer the bitter fruits themselves. Therefore, cost and benefit analysis is definitely not a perfect framework for environment economists. However, we have to admit that it is still one of the most practical and effective tool for experts to evaluate the most appropriate policy. - October 14, 2017 6:50 PM
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Olivia Gonzalez
A topic that has been heavily discussed through this course is the importance of government regulation on the use of resources. These regulations would help protect the environment by putting caps and taxes on companies that overuse resources to punish them, and to give stipends to other companies and institutions that are doing good for the environment to encourage this action. One would assume that putting a complete end, or ban, on pollution and pollutants would be exactly what an environmental economist would aim to accomplish, after all, government regulation is one of their goals. This article argued that this is not how the economy works, cost benefit analysis can be used to find a happy medium where the environment can be protected and industries can still use resources responsibly.
Unfortunately, this article brings up the point that there is a blurred line between “moral” and “fair” and occasionally the environment or the economy must suffer for the other to prosper. Through this course we have discussed that we are running through resources such as clean water, air, and fossil fuels at a dangerous rate. We would need one and a half earths to provide all of the resources needed to maintain the industries that currently exist. The environment is greatly suffering at the cost of the economy. Environmental economics must reevaluate their cost-benefit analysis to protect the environment at a larger rate for future generations of inhabitants of the earth.
- October 14, 2017 11:13 PM
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Jordi Isidor.
From the many tools that environmentalist use, there is the fact that they analyzed the value of lives. Although having zero pollution can be a great thing, economist knows the value of accomplished things like this and agree in a middle point for this using cost-benefit analysis where they can show the value of lives saved by their policy and the cost short and long term. Although is pretty hard to set prices for many environment's object. Cost-analysis is the most effective way for economist to choose the best policy. - October 14, 2017 11:14 PM
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The article talks about pollution and the affect of industries made by the human. People use a lot of resources than they need and it is costly to the world. We are currently facing with air pollution and many other environmental problems because of overuse of resources. Although it is impossible to achieve full clean environment however there is a way to balance the environmental issues that are created by industries and many other factors that are created by people. Cost benefit analysis would be useful when giving decision about balance of the environment however it would not be the most useful tool to be used because we can not actually calculate how much would we loose from environment when we gain benefit from something else using environmental resources.
- October 14, 2017 11:34 PM
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I agree with the conclusion of the post regarding the non-contradiction. Furthermore, I believe that cost-benefit analysis if quite useful for policy determinations. The issue with its use is that not all individuals will place the same worth on all benefits. This leads to an inefficiency in our policy-making bodies within the United States. While cost-benefit analysis is a crucial analytical tool, I don't believe it to be the end-all be-all of policy making. Politics is less about knowing which policy will be beneficial and more so about the discrepancy in options as to HOW beneficial it is and how to go about implementing it. Not all economists agree that environmental protection regulations will benefit the economy. Some think them to be too expensive and not worth the cost because they do not see the benefits in the long-term or value the role the environment plays in the economy. Republicans and Democrats both agree that providing healthcare for every American citizen would be beneficial. Now the various methods about how to do so is what takes up so much time. Focus on working together and reaching a consensus. Otherwise, the cost-benefit analysis will not matter.
- October 14, 2017 11:54 PM
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It's amusing that there can be conflict when it comes to being an economist as well as an environmentalist. I never would have really thought about the difference between the two. When it comes to the benefits, I think that both accounts need to be taken in when it comes to the policy making. Cost benefit analysis would be useful when it comes to analyzing the decision making about the environment. Since this is a world we live in, I think environmental resources will always be considered important and people really need to find the use in that.
- October 15, 2017 12:00 AM
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