Saturday, October 28, 2017

Real World Geoengineering



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‘Geostorm’ movie shows dangers of hacking the climate – we need to talk about real-world geoengineering now GEOSTORM - OFFICIAL TRAILER 2 [HD] 10/28/2017 'Geostorm' movie shows dangers of hacking the climate – we need to talk about real-world geoengineering now https://theconversation.com/geostorm-movie-shows-dangers-of-hacking-the-climate-we-need-to-talk-about-real-world-geoengineering-now-85866 2/6 Fiddling with our global climate The technology in the movie “Geostorm” is laughably fantastical. But the idea of technologies that might be used to “geoengineer” the climate is not. Geoengineering, also called climate engineering, is a set of emerging technologies that could potentially offset some of the consequences of climate change. Some scientists are taking it seriously, considering geoengineering among the range of approaches for managing the risks of climate change – although always as a complement to, and not a substitute for, reducing emissions and adapting to the effects of climate change. These innovations are often lumped into two categories. Carbon dioxide removal (or negative emissions) technologies set out to actively remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. In contrast, solar radiation management (or solar geoengineering) aims to reduce how much sunlight reaches the Earth. Because it takes time for the climate to respond to changes, even if we stopped emitting greenhouse gases today, some level of climate change – and its associated risks – is unavoidable. Advocates of solar geoengineering argue that, if done well, these technologies might help limit some effects, including sea level rise and changes in weather patterns, and do so quickly. But as might be expected, the idea of intentionally tinkering with the Earth’s atmosphere to curb the impacts of climate change is controversial. Even conducting research into climate engineering raises some hackles. ‘Geostorm’ is far-fetched, but scientists are taking seriously the idea of engineering Earth’s climate. Global stakes are high Geoengineering could reshape our world in fundamental ways. Because of the global impacts that will inevitably accompany attempts to engineer the planet, this isn’t a technology where some people can selectively opt in or opt out out of it: Geoengineering has the potential to affect everyone. Moreover, it raises profound questions about humans’ relationship to nonhuman nature. The conversations that matter are ultimately less about the technology itself and more about what we collectively stand to gain or lose politically, culturally and socially. Much of the debate around how advisable geoengineering research is has focused on solar geoengineering, not carbon dioxide removal. One of the worries here is that figuring out aspects of solar geoengineering could lead us down a slippery slope to actually doing it. Just doing research could make deploying solar geoengineering more likely, even if it proves to be a really bad idea. And it comes with the risk that the techniques might be bad for some while good for others, potentially exacerbating existing inequalities, or creating new ones. For example, early studies using computer models indicated that injecting particles into the stratosphere to cool parts of Earth might disrupt the Asian and African summer monsoons, threatening the food supply for billions of people. Even if deployment wouldn’t necessarily result in regional inequalities, the prospect of solar geoengineering raises questions about who has the power to shape our climate futures, and who and what gets left out. Other concerns focus on possible unintended consequences of large-scale open-air experimentation – especially when our whole planet becomes the lab. There’s a fear that the consequences would be irreversible, and that the line between research and deployment is inherently fuzzy. Shading the Earth from the sun’s rays shouldn’t be a solitary pursuit. And then there’s the distraction problem, often known as the “moral hazard.” Even researching geoengineering as one potential response to climate change may distract from the necessary and difficult work of reducing greenhouse gas levels and adapting to a changing climate – not to mention the challenges of encouraging more sustainable lifestyles and practices. To be fair, many scientists in the small geoengineering community take these concerns very seriously. This was evident in the robust conversations around the ethics and politics of geoengineering at a recent meeting in Berlin. But there’s still no consensus on whether and how to engage in responsible geoengineering research. A geostorm in a teacup? So how close are we to the dystopian future of “Geostorm”? The truth is that geoengineering is still little more than a twinkle in the eyes of a small group of scientists. In the words of Jack Stilgoe, author of the book “Experiment Earth: Responsible innovation in geoengineering”: “We shouldn’t be scared of geoengineering, at least not yet. It is neither as exciting nor as terrifying as we have been led to believe, for the simple reason that it doesn’t exist.” Compared to other emerging technologies, solar geoengineering has no industrial demand and no strong economic driver as yet, and simply doesn’t appeal to national interests in global competitiveness. Because of this, it’s an idea that’s struggled to translate from the pages of academic papers and newsprint into reality. Even government agencies appear wary of funding outdoor research into solar geoengineering – possibly because it’s an ethically fraught area, but also because it’s an academically interesting idea with no clear economic or political return for those who invest in it. Climate outcomes are not good for humanity in the Hollywood version of geoengineering. Yet some supporters make a strong case for knowing more about the potential benefits, risks and efficacy of these ideas. So scientists are beginning to turn to private funding. Harvard University, for instance, recently launched the Solar Geoengineering Research Program, funded by Bill Gates, the Hewlett Foundation and others. As part of this program, researchers David Keith and Frank Keutsch are already planning small-scale experiments to inject fine sunlight-reflecting particles into the stratosphere above Tucson, Arizona. It’s a very small experiment, and wouldn’t be the first, but it aims to generate new information about whether and how such particles might one day be used to control the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth. And importantly, it suggests that, where governments fear to tread, wealthy individuals and philanthropy may end up pushing the boundaries of geoengineering research – with or without the rest of society’s consent. The case for public dialogue The upshot is there’s a growing need for public debate around whether and how to move forward. Ultimately, no amount of scientific evidence is likely to single-handedly resolve wider debates about the benefits and risks – we’ve learned this much from the persistent debates about genetically modified organisms, nuclear power and other high-impact technologies. Leaving these discussions to experts is not only counter to democratic principles but likely to be selfdefeating, as more research in complex domains can often make controversies worse. The bad news here is that research on public views about geoengineering (admittedly limited to Europe and the U.S.) suggests that most people are unfamiliar with the idea. The good news, though, is that social science research and practical experience have shown that people have the capacity to learn and deliberate on complex technologies, if given the opportunity. Hollywood’s version of the technology is one thing, but it’s time to talk about what a real future could be. Geoengineering Risk assessment solar radiation management Carbon dioxide removal Climate engineering Solar geoengineering Negative emissions Risk innovation Science in film As researchers in the responsible development and use of emerging technologies, we suggest less speculation about the ethics of imagined geoengineered futures, which can sometimes close down, rather than open up, decision-making about these technologies. Instead, we need more rigor in how we think about near-term choices around researching these ideas in ways that respond to social norms and contexts. This includes thinking hard about whether and how to govern privately funded research in this domain. And uncomfortable as it may feel, it means that scientists and political leaders need to remain open to the possibility that societies will not want to develop these ideas at all. All of this is a far cry from the Hollywood hysteria of “Geostorm.” Yet decisions about geoengineering research are already being made in real life. We probably won’t have satellite-based weather control any time soon. But if scientists intend to research technologies to deliberately intervene in our climate system, we need to start talking seriously about whether and how to collectively, and responsibly, move forward. (The Coversation)

17 comments:

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Rebecca McMann
Geoengineering. That sounds like quite a crazy and dangerous item to me. No matter what it proposes a huge array of potential risks to the planet and everything living upon it, including us humans who it is supposed to be helping. To have these particles go into the air could potentially go more south than expected and cause so many problems that there would be no reason to try and help the world because we would have poisoned our air and so ourselves. Once something is airborne, retrieving it is no kind of easy and pretty much impossible. Also we would be putting so much trust into the standing government. I personally would not trust the government to watch out for the best interests fully. People lastly, also need to get off their butts and stop waiting for technology to start fixing the problems we made already. Technology is getting their to being about to help in so many more ways but it is not there yet and the issues we have are here now. It will already take round 50 years for any progress to take place that would make a significance difference so why would this be able to give any more direct results to changing it all. A lot of the damage is done and so is over. People do not need another reason to be lazy and not try to be more green and just try and keep the world clean that they live within. To me it seems like common sense to try and keep the world you live in healthy since you need this world to leave. Geoengineering could go so wrong and still could help do so much right. I have no definite opinion about it but I still do not trust majority in government and also there are too many options for a terrible outcome once all of that becomes airborne.

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Daniella Antolino

Geoengineering is a very interesting and scary topic to discuss and learn about. It sounds too experimental and causes high risks of affecting Asian and African summer monsoons while also threatening the food supply for billions of people. How can we go forward with this testing if it has the potential to hurt humans and environments as well. This couple possibly just do more harm than good. Once researches test this and expose it into the air for the atmosphere they don't know the repercussions and we could be dealing with dangerous unbreathable air. This technology is just playing with the earths climate if too much is released we could potentially see high climate changes which environments in those areas cannot sustain and cannot adapt and die off.
Geoengineering could affect us all and the world, how could they start experimenting when the government is agencies don't want to fund this project so scientists are learning toward private funding from the wealthiest people. This shouldn't be allowed to be exposed due to decisions of a couple people if it will affect all of us across the world. This causes greater risk than calling it a solution to our problem. Climate change is a very fragile thing to mess with. Once these are exposed there is no going back. We have huge environmental issues and more people should be aware of the issue and stop waiting for others to fix it. As a society we need to all change to help the environment naturally; that is the safest way.

Anonymous said...

Paola Idrovo

Geoengineering is a very frightening concept. First, our efforts to mitigate climate change should be focused on changing the practices and lifestyles we continue to have today. Second, it seems incredibly dangerous to move forward with technologies we do not yet fully understand, or whose consequences we cannot fully predict yet. This makes me think of several historical examples where products were developed to meet a need in our society, but that product had unforeseen effects on human health, the environment, or both. Notable examples include CFCs, which were primarily used for refrigeration and are now a highly potent greenhouse gas, or TEL (tetraethylead), which was used to improve the efficiency of motor engines but caused widespread lead poisoning. Similarly, geoengineering projects can be developed with an intended outcome, but can interact with the environment in an unforeseen way. Climate change is a direct result of humans increasingly altering the earth’s environment until the situation is arguably out of our control. Geoengineering seems like a place where this pattern could repeat itself.

DeShawn McLeod said...

DeShawn McLeod

It seems the ultimate question this article is scathing over is; who gets to play “God?” This reminds me of the controversial debate on stem cell research and how that’s an act of “playing God.”

With all religion pushed aside, the implications for manipulating energy in the open air are gargantuan. Think about the politics involved in making decisions; who gets to access, who gets to work there? While sustainability objectives can have positive implications to the earth in its entirety, politics and capitalism shape how we integrate new systems to solve problems.

To have the “power” of climate manipulation is unknown. Built within this concept is the cost of changing infrastructure. Since it will most likely be privatized, second- and third-world countries without access to that technology have the short end of the stick if they still have to deal with the negative consequences of climate change. Wealthier countries, yet again, make the world better for themselves than for the aggregate. Not to say that it’s their duty, but it seems like a cleansing of a wealthy place and the slums are still the slums – with pollution and no way to stop it.

When these concepts are being formulated, do teams take into account how lower ranked countries could get access?

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Celena Danahy

To begin, I had never heard of geoengineering prior to this lecture. I feel this not only has to do with the issues mentioned in your blog post, but also the state of the country. Today, Americans are worried about issues that could pose an immediate threat to their well-being. For example, women are worried about birth control and Planned Parenthood. With that being said, we mustn't forget that we are experiencing an environmental crisis. Earth may not blow up tomorrow, but we are seeing signs of climate change all of the time with the numerous natural disasters that have occurred within the past five years. Another issue arises when we have a President who claims that climate change is not real. It seems many people have become ignorant to scientific findings on this very topic.

According to the Economist, North America and Asia have the highest number of natural disasters. I found this to be interesting when reading that Asia may be negatively effected by solar radiation management. We often think selfishly and fail to look at the situation from the perspectives of foreign countries. Furthermore, even if this were to negatively impact other countries, like Asia with their monsoons, wouldn't they learn to evolve and adapt? And, wouldn't this be more appealing than the alternative of rapid, irreversible climate change?

I know other classmates have expressed fear of these methods, but I do not hold the same discomfort. I believe scientists must try new and innovative methods to subdue the inevitable catastrophe. David Keith, Professor of Engineering and Public Policy at Harvard University, explained geoengineering best by claiming, "...humanity might deliberately make the Earth a little bit more reflective by some technological means, like putting some kind of aerosol or fine dust into the stratosphere, perhaps." A moderate amount of solar engineering would result in a decrease in the effects of climate change. This would be done through aircraft technology.

My biggest reservation with this method would be effect of this chemical on humans themselves. While I believe there would be a way to find something that would not negatively impact our health, I think this would be a long process to create. Time is not on our side when it comes to climate change. I watched an interview, which I have linked below and also pulled the above quote from, and they posed an interesting threat to this method by mentioning conspiracy theorists. Many conspiracies would arise from the use of this method. People could begin to question what the government is putting into the atmosphere, which could lead to distrust and heightened security among citizens.

https://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/08/daily-chart-19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyv7pX5Xfp0&t=155s

Jaquille Ward said...

Jaquille Ward

Geoengineering seems like a very risky investment and it may be very unnecessary. Scientist should not put the world at risk with geoengineering because it could display negative effects that completely outweigh the positive. So many people rely heavily on technology to cure all of our self-made problems instead of dealing with it ourselves. The damage to the climate/atmosphere has already been done and will continue to occur as long as we keep doing the things causing it. The problems geoengineering can produce can impact different regions that hurts food production, which will then hurt a huge number of people. These regions/people should not be sacrificed by this project that has a good chance of not even working. This project can come with unforeseeable, negative results that can be irreversible. However, with enough research and knowledge on how this project can go, it can be very beneficial to this world. It can be a total game changer in slowing down the effects of climate change and it can make the environment a little more stable. Although it would be great if this project worked with no negative repercussions, it seems like a long shot and it does not seem worth the risk.

Unknown said...

If the goals of a society was striving to become a dystopian society, then geoengineering could be beneficial, specifically in predicting possible natural disasters. This being said, however, this positive to this system would also bring negatives along with it (changes in the levels of sea floors, per say). Advances in technology is meant to bring with it advancements to the quality of life, but the added complications that come with it may not always be worth it. Both sides of the coin need to be studied and examined closely to determine the opportunity cost, especially if possible outcomes are irreversible and detrimental in the long term - risk versus reward must be analyzed.

It's clear that something needs to be done in regards to climate change and preserving our environment for the future, but investing time and money into a risky industry like geoengineering would bring more harm than good, in my opinion. I think the way we've dealt with climate change in the past has not been correct, and time is just simply not on our side anymore. We've done more harm to the earth in the past 200 years than had been done for all of human civilization before that. There are simply too many risk factors and not enough guarantees with this geoengineering method.


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Alison Zhabotinskiy

Prior to reading this article, I had never heard of Geoengineering before. But Several weeks ago I did see the film Geostorm , and throughout the entire film I had a few major thoughts and they were about how geoengineering seems to be very dangerous, unpredictable, and too much of a risk. After reading this article, and getting a broader perspective on geoengineering, the same thoughts that I had throughout the movie, I had in learning about what it is. Geoengineering seems to be something that could potentially be very beneficial to the entire planet, but could also be too much of a risk because of the damage that could be caused. Simply from the examples given in the article about the Asian and African summer monsoons being disrupted and cutting off food supply for billions. As it was pointed out in the article, in the very fictious film, and as I see it, geoengineering has one major flaw. Which is that though there are many benefits, there will always be someone at risk. It also brings up many political and social issues of who is responsible for picking and choosing what is good and what is bad on a larger scale, that being the entire planet. Geoengineering impacts everyone everywhere, climate change is very valuable and fragile, and as a whole it is a bad idea to jump to geoengineering to solve the problem, which could result in even more damage.

Zixuan Song said...

Recently, there is a movie called Geostorm which describes the story of the bad guys hack the climate technology to bring the heavy negative impacts to the earth. Although this movie is too extreme, it also should draw the attention of us towards the geoengineering which is considered as a two edges sword. It can offset some different consequences of climate changes. The positive side of this technology can help humans to remove Carbon dioxide which can help us reduce the level of greenhouse gases around the atmosphere. The solar radiation management also can help humans to adjust the climate change since it takes time for the sunshine to reach earth. However, there are also some studies show the solar geoengineering could bring some negative impacts for threatening food supply in Asia and Africa.

In conclusion, the geoengineering is a very important technology which can affect our life a lot as human. We should use this technology cautiously since it can bring some positive impacts to human beings and negative impacts as well. However, the most important thing for us to remember is do not let bad people get touch with it!

Andresious Cyprianos said...

Geoengineering although could potentially help save the planet in different ways, however I feel it shouldn't be regarded as either a general solution to deal with the climate change we are going through nor should it be developed in order for us to have a form of "last resort" option when what we've done t0 the earth now severally threatens life on the planet. Considering geoengineering as a scientific breakthrough(which it is) to help fight climate change in itself is very perilous. Once we move into technology that affects the entire planet measuring the risks involved with simple testing and implementing would be impossible. In order for something of this magnitude to have the chance of working perfectly (because something like geoengineering leaves little to margin for error) The initiative wouldn't have to come from just philanthropist or wealthy individuals, it wouldn't have to be just the USA and/or other large first world countries, it would need to be a collective attempt and bargaining between all countries because this affects everyone. On its own the process of interfering with the natural cycle of the world is unethical, but doing this to the entire planet without the consent and support from everyone would completely be immoral and dishonorable.

In the end, my opinion on this is that focus should be at solutions that can 1) reverse the damaged humans have already done to the planet and 2) that will avoid the need for us to even consider using geoengineering. Science has definitely changed the world as we know it today, but science can also be attributed to all the climate aftermaths.

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Yunjia Guo

To be honest, I barely thinking about the issue of geoengineering before reading this blog article. According to the text, geoengineering is a plausible complementary solution for the current climate issues. It seems geoengineering provides a more efficient solution but with much more risk that cause lots of controversy, especially in the political, cultural, and social perspectives. People have the fear and believe that the changes from geoengineering are irreversible while the issue also causes moral problems. To developing the technology of geoengineering, scientists faces mainly the obstacle of people's lack of understanding. Personally, I am quite skeptical about the effects and risks of using the complex technology while I admit the reason is that I have liitle knowledge about the technology itself. However, a technology that have so much power to fix our problem does have the possibilities to create bigger problems, I assume. Therefore, I agree that people needs to learn and understand more about the technology, and meanwhile scientists should be able to improve the technology and avoid any possible side-effects.

Unknown said...

The idea of geoengineering is very complex and complicated. Our planet is suffering from climate change that is caused by us for many decades. Geoengineering is an idea where to stop climate change reduce carbon dioxide which will reduce the greenhouse gases so by this way the earth will have its natural balance back. However, geoengineering is not as easy as it sounds even though as an idea it might sound very beneficial for our world. It will definitely have some side affects with it as well. For example, in article example was given about Asian and African monsoons where it will affect millions of life because of geoengineering. I believe such thing would be very dangerous to use because who will decide to use such device to change the natural balance of the world even though it will serve for something good for the world because we are not sure what kind of damage it will give it to earth when we try to use it for reducing the carbon dioxide. I believe, it is risky instead we should focus on other types of ways to reduce the carbon dioxide in our world rather than using technologies which we are not really sure how will it affect our daily lives.

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Olivia Gonzalez

A major concern that I have been aware of lately is how quickly technology is advancing and how law making bodies will never be able to keep up with it in order to regulate it. In this case, the concept of Geostorm is completely uncharted territory as far as environmental and technological advancements come. The Geostorm has the potential to do great things for the environment, but as it is so advanced, people in power are having a difficult time understanding it and, by extension, regulating it. At face value, it has many great benefits for the environment, most importantly, regulating the global climate. It also has many risks, such as disrupting the environment’s natural storm patterns. The article has an interesting quote that states that “we shouldn’t be scared of geoengineering…it is not as exciting nor as terrifying as we have been led to believe, for the simple reason that it doesn’t exist”. This reinforces the concern of it being too complex and intricate that no one understands the implications that it may have, negative or positive. Experimental technological advances worry me personally because environmental experiments with negative results could very well be irreversible. I am not sure that a Geostorm is worth the potential risk that it presents.

YANG Peidong said...

Environmental changes have attracted increasing attention of public and more and more researchers try to develop new technologies to avoid further climate changes and following bad influence. In the first glance, these new technologies are beneficial to human kinds, but some technologies are so cutting-edge that may be out of peoples’ control. For example, geoengineering is a new technology that many excellent researchers show great passion in developing it. Geoengineering is climate engineering, which can have two categories, carbon dioxide removal, and solar radiation management, directly influencing the climate change process. However, such novel technology is controversial due to its great power. The great power of geoengineering will pose great power to the person or organization that own it. Here comes the question. Who can have the right to own this technology and decide the future and livelihood of all human being in this planet? Such big power and right definitely will cause moral hazard. Some people point out that such worry is meaningless because geoengineering hasn't been developed. From my perspective, advanced preparation is necessary because we can’t stop the development of new technologies. Even if government doesn't launch the study in novel tools, like geoengineering, wealthy individuals will also participate in it for potential benefits. What’ more, despite moral hazard, effective technologies is critical for battling the climate change in face of its increasing severity. Therefore, careful observation and regulation is a necessity to the development of new technologies.

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